Aerial and Ground HK Scale?

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Aerial and Ground HK Scale?

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I was looking thru DVdBirger pictures and ran across the first picture of an Aerial Hk and Ground HK together, but obviously not to scale with one another.

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So I tried to use that same picture, and brought the Aerial HK down to what I could best determine was the true scale betwen the two machines. I used the skulls on each base to adjust the size, but then there is the matter of the size of the plasma guns on the bottom and sides of both machines. This makes the Aerial HK just barely longer than the Ground HK Tank.

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I believe that Skynet used two totally different plasma weapon designs on both machines, as the Aerial may have only been able to power the smaller one we see underneath it. While the Ground Hk could have as heavy firepower as it saw fit to pacific urban areas of resistance.

I can seem to find any source of how large these machines are supposed to be. However, using the little bomb sliding in front of the treads from the first T1 Ground HK is easier to rescale using Kyle Reese as the average human. If the Ground Hk scale can be found, but what about the Aerial HK?

I've always thought that the head from the Ground HK was just a few feet wider than the Aerial HK, but still can't find any info on this subject. Have any of the rest of you found any information on the size of the Aerial HK in Comparision to the Ground?

What about the model kits of these machines when they were released for T2? Did they offer any information on dimensions like most model kits did?
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Re: Aerial and Ground HK Scale?

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Crimson_Raptor wrote:I was looking thru DVdBirger pictures and ran across the first picture of an Aerial Hk and Ground HK together, but obviously not to scale with one another.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/ ... Birger.jpg


So I tried to use that same picture, and brought the Aerial HK down to what I could best determine was the true scale betwen the two machines. I used the skulls on each base to adjust the size, but then there is the matter of the size of the plasma guns on the bottom and sides of both machines. This makes the Aerial HK just barely longer than the Ground HK Tank.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v496/ ... KScale.jpg

I believe that Skynet used two totally different plasma weapon designs on both machines, as the Aerial may have only been able to power the smaller one we see underneath it. While the Ground Hk could have as heavy firepower as it saw fit to pacific urban areas of resistance.

I can seem to find any source of how large these machines are supposed to be. However, using the little bomb sliding in front of the treads from the first T1 Ground HK is easier to rescale using Kyle Reese as the average human. If the Ground Hk scale can be found, but what about the Aerial HK?

I've always thought that the head from the Ground HK was just a few feet wider than the Aerial HK, but still can't find any info on this subject. Have any of the rest of you found any information on the size of the Aerial HK in Comparision to the Ground?

What about the model kits of these machines when they were released for T2? Did they offer any information on dimensions like most model kits did?
This is something I've wondered for a while, but unfortunately the scale references listed on various replicas have proven to be inaccurate. I have come up with a way to determine the relative sizes using information about the actual props, but it's somewhat convoluted. It's been a while since I bothered to figure it out, so I'm going to hunt down the info again and post the results here.

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Too bad they didn't make an "Art of Terminator 2: Judgement Day" book right? Like it would specs for the Endoskeleton and hunter killers. maybe even have artwork from the extended future war scenes.
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Crimson_Raptor wrote:Too bad they didn't make an "Art of Terminator 2: Judgement Day" book right? Like it would specs for the Endoskeleton and hunter killers. maybe even have artwork from the extended future war scenes.
Yeah, I'd definitely buy that!

Anyway, here goes. Bear with me, because as I said this gets a bit convoluted. Some of the pictures involved are quite large, so I'm providing clickable thumbnails for each.

OK, to start with, here's a concept drawing of an HK tank from T1. This picture is important because it provides a silhouette of an adult human for scale reference.

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As can be seen in the image, the HK tank is four times taller than the human shown in the picture. Working under the assumption that the human is six feet tall, the HK tank ends up being 24 feet tall. Observant viewers may note that there is a height measurement on the right side of the image. However, that measurement is in inches, and likely represents the desired minimum height of the scale model.

Now, here's an auction for an actual HK tank prop from T1.

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According to the description, the model measures 51 inches long, 38 inches wide, and 32 inches tall. The description claims that the HK tank is 1:6 scale, but our reference drawing above will prove that to be wrong. If we convert the size of the full-size tank to inches, 24 feet becomes 288 inches. If we divide that height by the height of the scale model (32 inches) the result is 9. That means the model is 1:9 scale. Since both the HK tanks and the flying HK's were used in the future war sequences, I'm working under the assumption that both models were at the same scale in order to remain compatible with the miniature ruins set.

Next is the auction for the flying HK from T1.

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Like the auction for the HK tank, this auction claims a 1:6 scale, which I believe to be incorrect. I'll explain why later, but for now we're going to come up with some preliminary measurements for the full-size flying HK. The description says that the model is 43 inches long and 27 inches wide. If we use the 1:9 scale conversion, the flying HK turns out to be 32.25 feet long, and 20.25 feet wide.

Finally, we have the auction for a flying HK from T2:3D. (The auction erroneously claims it was from T2.)

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The description claims that the flying HK is 54 inches long and 41 inches wide. It also claims that the flying HK is 1:6 scale, which I believe in this case. Anyway, on to the measurements. If we use the 1:6 scale to convert the measurements, we end up with an HK that is 27 feet long and 20.5 feet wide. The width almost perfectly matches that of the T1 flying HK, and is about 5 feet shorter--a notable difference, but not a huge one. This helps confirm that the T1 models really were 1:9 scale, with the models from T2 being 1:6 scale. Gene Warren from Fantasy II Film Effects stated in an interview that for T2 James Cameron wanted the HK scale-models to be half-again as large as they were in T1, or 50% larger. Moving from 1:9 scale to 1:6 scale matches Gene Warren's statement, and when used to calculate full-size measurements, all the numbers seem to match up. The flying HK's do not have height listed, but it is possible to figure that out by using known full-size measurements to establish the scale of the drawing and then apply that scale after measuring the height of the drawing. Doing so reveals the T2/T2:3D flying HK to be about 8.25 feet tall. That's from the bottom of the fuselage to the highest points on the tail.

So, to sum it up:

HK tank from T1 and presumably T2
H: 24 feet
W: 28.5
L: 38.25 feet

Flying HK from T1
W: 20.25 feet
L: 32.25 feet

Flying HK from T2:3D and presumably T2
W: 20.5 feet
L: 27 feet
H: 8.25 feet

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klasodeth wrote:HK tank from T1 and presumably T2
H: 24 feet
W: 28.5
L: 38.25 feet

Flying HK from T1
W: 20.25 feet
L: 32.25 feet

Flying HK from T2:3D and presumably T2
W: 20.5 feet
L: 27 feet
H: 8.25 feet
You're the best Klasodeth, lol! You sure do beat everyone to the punch for sure. Man, 27 feet is ridiculously small. By comparision a UH-1 Huey gunship is nearly 57 feet long, and the AH-1 Cobra is 53 feet long.

So the Aerial Hk from T2/T23D is only twice as long as 4 door Chevy Blazer plus 3 feet? And a little smaller width wise than two of them length wise. Those things just became smaller and more vicious by our descriptions!
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Crimson_Raptor wrote:You're the best Klasodeth, lol! You sure do beat everyone to the punch for sure
I guess I'm just a little obsessed with Terminator. :lol:
Man, 27 feet is ridiculously small. By comparision a UH-1 Huey gunship is nearly 57 feet long, and the AH-1 Cobra is 53 feet long.

So the Aerial Hk from T2/T23D is only twice as long as 4 door Chevy Blazer plus 3 feet? And a little smaller width wise than two of them length wise. Those things just became smaller and more vicious by our descriptions!
The HK does benefit greatly from not needing to carry a pilot or passengers. Barring wings, it's roughly the size of a Predator UAV.

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klasodeth wrote:I guess I'm just a little obsessed with Terminator.
We all are, we all certainly are. 8)
klasodeth wrote:Barring wings, it's roughly the size of a Predator UAV.
Also, I've just noticed this, the length of the World War II German BF-109E planes as well! That's just the kind of scale I was wondering about. Man, Skynet sure did make some compact power sources for these things!
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